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Adsum Try Ravenhill's avatar

While I share your unease concerning Comer's work, I'd stop short of dismissing such a broad swathe of Church history. We've been handed down a plethora of wisdom both before and after the reformation, even in the long millennium between Augustine and Luther. To say, "Wanna read some more stuff on spirituality with me? Let’s go to the 17th century" veers too far into the waters of chronological snobbery that Lewis warns us of in Surprised by Joy.

What's more, it might work against the outcome we'd hope for.

The best outcome is what you suggest. The young man comes away from reading the great works you suggested and does so with a greater understanding of God, a full understanding of his sin, of the grace he's been provided, and invigorated to follow the great commission. The second—which I've seen far more often—is that the young man misunderstands this as proof of progressive theology. New equals better. Quite the opposite of what the reformers would have hoped for. The third—though surely not the final—I can think of, is the rising trend of young men who are finding solace in pre-reformation writings and finding no one in their church who will wisely walk through it with them, they go elsewhere to search it out, falling into the welcome arms of priests in greek and roman robes.

There is a great deal of wisdom in the years before the reformation, even in the writings of those we'd disagree with. To be clear, I have no issue with the books you chose, and I'd hasten to recommend your own book, Humble Calvinism, alongside them as I have many times before, but in our current cultural climate I think some nuance is needed here.

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I am an almost 25 year old Christian who's read three of JMC's books and consumed a ton of his content in the last 6 years. Thank you for sharing your opinion and inviting dialogue. I appreciate the gentle tone of this article and the suggested reading list. I have my own opinions, hesitations, and concerns about his work, just as I do with almost everyone else's work that I read.

That being said, I must say that there are a few points in this critique that made me cringe very hard, and in the spirit of good faith dialogue, I would like to share a handful of thoughts.

1) I believe that all Christians should have a well-rounded reading list and a well-rounded understanding of each Christian tradition, so to discourage the Christian from reading Roman Catholic works just because they're... dun dun dun... "Roman Catholic" isn't going to do anybody any favors. I think Christians should read Luther, Calvin, and the Puritans. But Luther, Calvin, and the Puritans are not infallible. They get a lot right but they're not perfect.

2) "...he quotes a lot of unsavory mystics—the kind of stuff I wouldn't quote as it could be perceived as an endorsement or even a red carpet to read more. The Puritans offer a doctrinal and affectional spirituality. Go there!" ... Why not read both? Why an either/or? There is much to be gleaned about deep communion with Christ from the many traditions of Christianity. Also, might I ask, who exactly are these "unsavory" mystics he's quoting?

3) I have to completely disagree with you that John Mark is impractical. In fact, in the three books I've read by Him (Live No Lies, The Ruthless Elimination Of Hurry, and God Has A Name), and the hours of other content I've consumed, I've always walked away feeling like there was something I could DO with what he taught. Seriously. He has whole sections in his books specifically about practicing what he teaches. It's kind of his thing. I have not read Practicing The Way, but I've watched some of his video content for it, and it was great. As for "being with Jesus" being a vague statement, I admit that that is a very mystical kind of thing to say... until you realize just how simple it is. It is just about being present as you would with any other person, and practicing silence, humility, and thankfulness, reflecting on His goodness in prayers of adoration.

4) I agree that repentance could explicitly be talked about more. But at the same, for what I understand, by turning to Jesus in all things and living life as Jesus did, you are repenting. It is not a one and done thing that you do. It is a life of submission to Christ. There is a moment that you choose to begin that life of repentance, but it is an active lifestyle of turning to Him from then on.

5) It is a modernist reformationist mindset that demands the atonement of Jesus to only be about transactionally paying for the laws we've broken. Jesus indeed pays for our sins, but not in the way that we're so used to thinking about it. N.T. Wright is obviously a huge inspiration for Comer in this area. Comer (as N.T. Wright does) opts for the ancient view that sin is a disease and power gripping mankind. So Jesus take the punishment that our sins deserve (the wrath of God) onto Himself on the cross, but He does so in order that sin's power can be destroyed in His body; and simultaneously He takes death (the power of satan, Heb 2:14-15) onto himself in order to render it useless over humanity. Therefore there is a penal substitution element and a Christus Victor element working together in the death of Jesus. The atonement is a mosiac; not just a transaction. This is obviously a huge topic, but I've done my best to articulate my thoughts at the moment.

6) JMC does not believe in "works-based righteousness." What he does believe and teach, as the Bible is very clear on, is that discipleship is the heart Christianity. "Go make disciples of all nations!" Obedience to Christ is essential for living a Christian life– there is no life with Christ without following after Him and being a disciple in submission to Him. We will either be formed by Christ or we will be formed by something else. We must choose one master. As Dietrich Bonhoeffer famously said, "Christianity without discipleship is always Christianity without Christ." JMC has done an amazing job of cutting through the majority of shallow, pop Christianity that teaches that you just need "accept Jesus into your heart" or simply "say a prayer" to be saved. Being a Christian is WHOLE LIFE commitment! This is a breath of fresh air for those of us who are sick and tired of "Christianity lite" in America! His teachings on discipleship have been incredibly formative for me and others around me to live a more joyfully obedient life in Christ.

7) “Hey, wanna read some more stuff on spirituality with me? Let’s go to the 17th century. You’ll love it.” ... Yikes. This is probably the point I winced at the most. It seems as though you are willing to largely ignore the first 1500 years of Church history. That is a very unwise move.

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